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Marvin John Heemeyer war ein amerikanischer Schweißer und Inhaber einer Reparaturwerkstatt für Schalldämpfer, der am 4. Juni in Granby, Colorado, zahlreiche Gebäude mit einem modifizierten Bulldozer abriss. Die tragische Geschichte des Mannes, der mit seinem "Killdozer" die Bürokratie zerstören wollte. Am 4. Juni setzt sich Marvin Heemeyer. Killdozer war eine US-amerikanische Noise-Rock-Band aus Madison, Wisconsin. Inhaltsverzeichnis. 1 Geschichte; 2 Stil; 3 Diskografie. Alben; Singles. Killdozer ist Name folgender: Killdozer! (Roman), Roman von Theodore Sturgeon​; Killdozer! (Film), Film von auf Grundlage des Romans von Theodore. das Jahr Marvin Heemeyer aus Colorado hat Behördenfrust. Um sich zu rächen, baut er kurzerhand seinen eigenen "Killdozer".

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As long as all interests are weighed fairly and fair compensation is paid, I have no objections against it,and from the article I get no indication that the compensation offer was NOT fair — even if it does not explicitly say it was.

Just watch the show every time a new Supreme Court Justice is appointed here. Judges are no different than anyone else in the sense that they have their own opinions and prejudices, and those viewpoints can, and often do, find their ways into their rulings.

Separation of powers is a good thing, of course, but to say that any judicial system is removed from politics is probably very inaccurate, in my opinion.

Of course. As mentioned, one process is called eminent domain. Another is rezoning people out of their property, as in this story.

And another is simply trying to purchase the property. The last example should always be the first attempt, but that is not always the case.

When it is, often times people will simply sell. Well, if I had a piece of property that had been in my family for many generations, and I wanted to keep it for future generations, I might not want to sell, either.

I see nothing that indicated the rezoning of Heemeyer was intended to benefit the community, not that that would be justification, in my opinion.

Nor did I see anything that indicated all interests were weighed fairly and fair compensation was paid.

This was not the government coming in to take land for development that would be of benefit to the community again, not that that would be justifiable, in my opinion.

This was one private company attempting to purchase something from another private company, not being able to come to an agreement, and the one wishing to purchase going outside the realm of the free market to get what it wanted with the help of the government, and at the expense of a private citizen.

What I read was that the rezoning was intended to benefit one private company over another private company.

Sid Killdozer was originally a short SF story, and a good one too. Unfortunately I cant remember the author but it was about a D7 bulldozer that became possessed by, er, something.

Now, my take on this DI tale is that it is simply about men, not Gods, just men. Some who thought they could push one beyond endurance to get what they wanted and one who got pushed so far he could see nothing left to do but push back.

I dont condone what he did well, actually I sort of do but only because no-one was seriously hurt but wouldnt it be great if maybe, just maybe, the next time some greedy, corrupt businessman tries to take some thing he has no right to he thinks about what could happen and stops?

Theodore Sturgeon, according to IMDb. He also worked on the movie but no connection to the band. Unfortunately I cant remember the author but it was about a D7 bulldozer that became possessed by, er, something … Theodore Sturgeon, according to IMDb.

I seem to remember someone getting run over by the dozer in a culvert pipe…. Marc Boyd is creepy as hell. That does not mean the property must be used.

Hell, he could have pissed them off royally by clearing the lot and keeping it empty. That includes neccessary driveways and infrastructure at my expense, of course.

No problem. This is how it should be. Some have said six times what he paid is more than fair. Chances are it will double in value again within 10 years.

If I spent 20K to build a small shop, it would add about 35K to the total value. The tax office has a funny way of doing the math because they get more money out of it.

With the current economy, I would be extremely lucky to get what I paid if I sold it. He definately went too far with the destruction, though.

I hate the whole sue their ass off mentality, but a law suit would have been a better solution. The police are really at a loss in a situation like this.

Civilian law enforcement will never be equipped to handle this. It was his last shop as he farmed out the rest and his last piece of land.

He initially wanted to sell and then decided not to, and then they offered him 6x as much and he said no. To me no is no, unless you can find the point someone will be bought or just give up.

I certainly hope not. I agree. The resolve to remain free is more important than outlawing certain equipments which mjaority of the people does not intend to use in a recklessly dangerous manner.

Did city people protest against those responsible who drove Mr. Questions like these remain unanswered to this day.

Jokes aside, technically judges are independent from politics. That means while they probably have their own political views, no politician is able to tell them how to rule in court.

He just started to build his Killdozer. If there is reason to believe the property will increase in value, it is usually possible to receive a better price for it when selling.

Even a court will take such a thing into account when deciding on the compensation. The exception, of course, is when the increase in value is only because of the project the property is needed for in the first place.

In that case, without selling there would be no increase in value. OK, did a bit of additional research. Heemeyer bought the land in for The company was willing to pay Now there are certainly properties somewhere that do increase in value at that rate.

However there is absolutely no indication in the article or any other source I was able to find that the bargain Heemeyer was offered was anything but what any reasonable person would call fair.

Even by those standards the offer was more than generous. So when the compensation decided by the court is less than what was initially offered, they are bound to be disappointed and cry foul play.

According to the wikipedia article, he once threatened to kill a customer after he refused to pay for a faulty muffler repair.

I had stopped checking for new articles, so it took me until now to notice them. Do you think this guy is making a killdozer in heaven to get God back for using him, rezoning his mind without consultation?

I wish there was more detail about how the police used explosives on the armored doser, for instance. Such as the act of tempting us with two stories in barely more than a week, and then making us wait 13 days for the next?

Oh wow I think someone here in Australia was trying to do a bad impression of the Killdozer.

No, theoretically, judges are hoped to be independent from politics. In fact, they are very deeply immersed, at least here in the US. Many are elected, and run political campaigns in order to defeat their opponents.

They also generally have affiliations to political parties. They align themselves with those parties for political and ideological reasons.

Those not elected are appointed, generally by whatever political party controls the appointment process, and those in charge generally appoint judges who share their political viewpoint.

That may be the hoped perception in Germany, but I find it hard to believe. There are countless ways legislators and executives can exert political pressure on judges here in the US, and I would be surprised if that were not the case in Germany.

You seem to be confusing some issues here. But if the governement made him an offer, he refused, and it went to court for a determination of how he should be compensated because the government still wanted it, you might have a point.

Again, you are confusing the issue. This was not the government looking to better the community, according to the facts presented.

This was the local government helping a private company get an advantage over a smaller private company, probably because it had better political connections.

The value, when talking about two private entities negotiating a sale, is determined by them, not you, me, or the government.

And yes, the locals could have rezoned the land at any time. That may sit fine with you, but it does not sit well with me. See my above calculation.

Heemeyer did not want to sell, and he had every right to keep his land. Some people who are about to be expropriated believe they will get more in court than what they were offered in advance.

There was no reason for this to go to court. According to all accounts, Heemeyer was a violent person even before the sale of his property even came up.

I agree with you here, to a point. Ultimately, Heemeyer is responsible for his illegal actions. But it is possibly instructive to explore what it was that caused him to snap so badly.

From what I have read, it seems the locals abused their power to benefit one company over another for no apparent reason. And where did this god get all the anger issues — inventing hell and everything.

If God is everywhere, is she in hell too? Rather a vindictive, wrathful, jealous, haughty, and angry deity if you ask me. Whether you believe it or not, courts in Germany can and do rule against the interests of the government.

Happened just a few weeks ago in a very high profile case here, where an important part of a plan by the state government was overturned in the preliminary case by the highest state court.

It is expected that the verdict will be the same in the main case. It is not a misconception. It is my personal opinion, based on my personal experiences.

If you made different experiences that led to you having a different opinion, this does not make either of our opinions untrue or a misconception.

Please refrain from using such insinuations in a discussion. Limitations are ruled by the applicable laws.

It can only be effected according to a law, which governs the kind and extent of the compensation.

The compensation is to be decided by weighing the interests of the general public and the concerned parties. In case of disagreement, the extent of the compensation can be decided by a regular court.

Maybe someone with a bit experience in the US legal system could confirm or refute this? The information from the article says that the company wanted to build a concrete batch plant, and I assume that this would have created a lot of jobs in a town of 1.

Against this a muffler repair shop that could have been rebuilt anywhere with the amount of compensation they originally agreed on.

The weighing of interests seems pretty obvious to me, but of course you are entitled to your own opinion.

You cannot expropriate someone on a whim. You need a very good reason and one that will not only benefit you but the general public as well.

Usually there is a settlement before it comes to this, though. Sure, and it happens here, too. But you are, again, confusing the issue.

That could be, and often is, based on which side can bring not just the better arguments in court, but exert more political pressure.

Now, that is by no means an absolute, but the folks who make up SCOTUS got there because the party in charge of the process at the time of appointment felt the political views of the candidate were supportive of the political views of the party in power.

The same can be said about appointments at lower levels of the judicial system. Those justices who are elected by the people, and face reelection every few years, also likely consider the political ramifications of their decisions.

Politics is deeply rooted in our court system, but if you say it is not in Germany, than I can only take you at your word.

I am, however, quite comfortable doing so with regard to the US judicial system. And since we are discussing a US issue, we should probably stick to apples and apples, not apples and theoretical oranges.

My bad, I guess. The U. Constitution contains nothing so ghastly in my opinion as what the German Constitution apparently contains.

Replace McDonalds with some small-scale, family-owned restaurant that has been there for decades, and Burger king would likely win easily, as it would have greater resources to bring to bear to advance its case.

Once again, you are confusing the issue. Nowhere in the article is it even remotely indicated the concrete company argued it was benefitting the community, and nowhere in the article is it even remotely indicated the rezoning was done to benefit the community.

The evidence we have, limited as it is, indicates to me that the rezoning was done at the request of the concrete company, and to benefit the concrete company.

If you can find something indicating otherwise, feel free to present it. The question here is whether the local government did something shady to benefit one private entity over another.

So, it is what you are saying. I decide I want it, and intend to use it as an orphanage. Say someone has a piece of property that he is doing absolutely nothing to maintain, and it is in the middle of an area that would be perfct for some government-service building that area is crying out for.

A new police HQ, for example, since crime is a problem there. And again, in this case, things appeared to be handled with a certain amount of secrecy and underhandedness.

As to providing jobs: Maybe , tops. Concrete batching plants take up a lot of space but do not need many people. Location, location, location.

Property values are completely subjective. Appraised value really only works for the tax man. Property is only worth what someone is willing to pay.

Zoning can effect what someone is willing to pay. I guess that I am a bit put off by anyone who claims absolutes about US law.

Most of what Mirage describes is present in US law in one form or another; perhaps not the Constitution, but still in US law. There are many legal ways of forcing somebody to sell property in the US; property rights are far from absolute.

Personally, I think the brevity of the US Constitution is a testament to the genius of those involved with crafting it. Government should do only very few, basic things, in my opinion, but ours has evolved to be far more invasive, as that is the nature of government.

But the question regarding this particular situation is whether the local government acted appropriately, or however you wish to phrase it.

In this case, based on what the story gives us, it would seem to me that the local government colluded with one private entity in order to drive another private entity into selling its land.

Nobody ever said this was not possible, as the evidence presented shows that it clearly is. The question is whether the locals acted appropriately.

Personally, I feel they did not, based on what I have read. And all you need to do is look at SCOTUS rulings, as well as those of other courts, to see that government local, state, or federal in the US has a long history of overstepping its authority, and infringing on rights.

Sometimes the courts take action on the side of individuals, and sometimes they do not, often citing that a particular right does exist, but it is not absolute.

The very nature of any government, as I said before, is to slowly take more and more control from its citizens.

Even a cursory look at history will support that. For the most part, I feel that is wrong, but understand that it is often inevitable.

There should be a return to greater respect for, and defense of, individual rights. In my opinion, though, it should certainly be considered a shameless abuse of power.

And, yes, an infringement on property rights. Like I said before. Heemeyer went on a rampage without even going to court. A quick check to wikipedia produced the following: The power of governments to take private real or personal property has always existed in the United States, being an inherent attribute of sovereignty.

This power reposes in the legislative branch of the government and may not be exercised unless the legislature has authorized its use by statutes that specify who may use it and for what purposes.

The legislature may so delegate the power to private entities like public utilities or railroads, and even to individuals for the purpose of acquiring access to their landlocked land.

I thought I explained this, but apparently not. This is not a question of collecting signatures and getting a majority.

Relocating a shop with one employee to make room for a plant that would create multiple jobs conceivably would. Next time you quote one of my posts, please make sure to actually read it.

It is frustrating to do actual research even if it is only wikipedia and then have it ignored. IF there were an urgent demand for an orphanage AND IF there were no alternative locations for it, THEN, yes they would have a pretty good shot at taking the property, and the old lady would have enough money to leave to her kids.

And yes, I think that it is a good system, because in your example otherwise those orphans would have to sleep in the streets. This makes one of the points I made in my above post moot.

Apparently we agree that is is possible to expropriate poeple under US law, and your point was that in the US the process is not part of the constitution.

However in my opinion this is not really a relevant distiction, since it is still applicable law.

However, you raised the point of the judicial process, and what you felt was its immunity to outside influences, so I thought it important to correct some misconceptions you had regarding how things work here.

Specifically you said:. This comment was apparently about Heemeyer, and was simply way off track. And my response to it, in fact, ignored your reference to the courts.

You, then, decided to continue down your strange path of discussing the judicial system, when that was never part of the equation regarding this particular case.

Actually, I probably do, and as you concede in your follow-up post, you recognize my understanding of US law.

But we were talking about constitutions. That is because, in my opinion, there is little, if any, true right to property in Germany.

Our 5th Amendment speaks to the government taking private property for public use, with just compensation. That was a limitation placed on what is considered a power all governments are considered to have, and does not speak to disputes between private parties.

When talking about complex issues such as these, simplistic is often what you get with wikipedia, unfortunately.

The power is not delegated to private entities. The government makes the decision whether the property may be taken, which is the actual power.

That is only a short description istead of the actual legal text, but is seems to be quite similar to what we have in German law.

Not really similar, as your constitution sets up the parameters. The ability to seize property, especially for use by private entities, has been predominantly established through the courts here, which, as I said, are subject to political pressure, and many decisions have been quite controversial.

The recent Kelo decision is a particularly controversial one. The party with the best lawyers usually does. Nowhere near as frustrating as reading someone complain about things that simply never happened.

Your point seemed to be the concrete company was benefitting the community in some grand way, so all was OK with how things were handled.

However, you produced nothing to indicate this was the case, other than your assumption. And, again, that was not the point.

The concrete company, from what has been presented, never argued Heemeyer should be rezoned so that it could benefit the community.

And even if it did, show me the evidence that would indicate enough benefit, in your eyes, to make it ok to use government force to drive a man off his property.

If they employed one more person than Heemeyer, is that enough? I recall something about weighing the interests of the general public and those involved, but not much more.

The language seems specific enough to establish taking property, but vague enough to allow virtually any argument for forcing a sale to have potential for success.

Furthermore, who said anything about orphans sleeping on the street? My example, my rules. The guy just wanted something a little nicer than what he had, and something he could be very comfortable living in.

Go figure. The bottom line is, Heemeyer got screwed over by a greedy concrete company and a colluding local government.

It was looking to make a lot of money, and Heemeyer was in the way. Shoulda done it in Germany to make it easier, I guess.

Then again, they still may not have wanted to pay what it would have cost, or might not have won their case. How are your zoning laws?

I brought up the eminent domain process to counter your argument that Heemeyer could have asked any price he wanted for the land.

This is going in circles. I seem to fail to make you understand how eminent domain works in Germany and I fail to understand why there is a difference between eminent domain being mentioned in the constitution as opposed to any other applicable law.

It is not sufficient to offer one or two jobs more than the previous owner. Also — and I did mention this before, so again, please read my posts — alternatives have to be investigated, and this alone disqualifies a McD which could as well be built two blocks down the road.

Better examples would be roads or railroads, the expansion of existing facilities that cannot be relocated or facilities that take up too much room to be built anywhere else.

Yes, I assume. I take the facts that are available and try to put them together to get a plausible whole. Thus I feel justified in assuming that the company did nothing wrong until someone presents me with evidence that they did.

I tried to use your example to show how eminent domain could work. Yes, companies do want to make money, but a company making money and it benefiting the community are not mutually exclusive.

I have no idea, and since earlier you complained that using german law as a reference was irrelevant, I will save me some time and refrain from doing any research into that topic.

Your very first post on this thread was 40, where you brought the fallacious judicial argument into the discussion, even though nobody else had.

My first post was 55, where I ignored your first stab at misdirection, and commented on the crazy idea that people should not be forced to sell their own property just because someone else wants it.

You then took another stab at the judicial argument, which was never a part of this story, presented some misconceptions, and only then did I choose to try to straighten you out.

Look, I get it, you like a strong, controlling government that has the authority to infringe on rights without the people speaking up.

You folks are used to the government being so deeply involved in areas where I feel it should not be, and only a minority tend to ever really speak out against it.

We are less accepting here in the US, but it has been coming for some time. Some folks have been objecting all along, and many more here are starting to object.

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Denn plötzlich wird Heemeyers Randale-Wahn ein jähes Ende gesetzt: Der Boden des dreizehnten Gebäudes, das er zerstört hat, bricht ein, und die Laufkette des Killdozers greift ins Leere. An diesem Punkt hätte der Mechaniker einfach aufgeben und akzeptieren können, dass er nichts gegen die allmächtigen Behörden ausrichten kann. Zu seinen Nachbarn hat Marvin ein gutes Verhältnis.

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Yes No Report this. Add the first question. Language: English. Of course, he did overreact a bit. Usually settling out of court means a much better deal for the disposessed, so the investor can avoit delays do to lengthy court processes.

Americans are famous to sue for everything ;-. This has been a controversial subject in the U. It is a bit more complicated as roads, public parks and such also come into play.

Their use of zoning regulations was a perfectly legal, albeit underhanded and nefarious, method of getting what they wanted.

Americans may be famous for their litigious prowess but we are also famous for our desire to keep government federal, state, local, etc.

We built a system of rights for one person — and then duplicated that system million times. Every single person has the right to challenge the entire country if need be and, if upheld by said system, they will win.

That may be, but this is America, not Germany or Europe. Case in point would be free speech in Germany, and the severe regulations on many things Nazi-related.

Here, that is, but not in Germany. Now, America is certainly not perfect when it comes to protecting individual rights here on our own soil, but I believe we do a better job of it than any other country.

This particular example would seem to me to be a problem. This guy bought land under existing zoning laws, and set up his company in full compliance.

He was, apparently, there for some time, not bothering anyone and doing a legitimate business that performed a service for the community.

And even when he tried to comply with the new regulations, the local government and the concrete company worked together it seems to make sure he could not comply.

I have a problem with many uses of eminent domain, as well as this type of rezoning. Like I said, America is not perfect when it comes to protecting rights, be they property or other.

Exactly, again. Of course, when an individual takes the government to court, he is usually at a severe disadvantage.

Few people have the resources to go toe-to-toe with the government—be it local, state, or federal—in a pitched court battle. Often, government will simply string out the case until the resouces of the individual dry up, he gives up out of frustration, or he dies.

Any single person can go to court against the state if they want to, and like in any modern democracy there is a separation of powers, so courts are independent from politics.

I am sure there are ways to expropritate people even in the US. Otherwise no major infrastructure project would be possible. As long as all interests are weighed fairly and fair compensation is paid, I have no objections against it,and from the article I get no indication that the compensation offer was NOT fair — even if it does not explicitly say it was.

Just watch the show every time a new Supreme Court Justice is appointed here. Judges are no different than anyone else in the sense that they have their own opinions and prejudices, and those viewpoints can, and often do, find their ways into their rulings.

Separation of powers is a good thing, of course, but to say that any judicial system is removed from politics is probably very inaccurate, in my opinion.

Of course. As mentioned, one process is called eminent domain. Another is rezoning people out of their property, as in this story. And another is simply trying to purchase the property.

The last example should always be the first attempt, but that is not always the case. When it is, often times people will simply sell.

Well, if I had a piece of property that had been in my family for many generations, and I wanted to keep it for future generations, I might not want to sell, either.

I see nothing that indicated the rezoning of Heemeyer was intended to benefit the community, not that that would be justification, in my opinion.

Nor did I see anything that indicated all interests were weighed fairly and fair compensation was paid.

This was not the government coming in to take land for development that would be of benefit to the community again, not that that would be justifiable, in my opinion.

This was one private company attempting to purchase something from another private company, not being able to come to an agreement, and the one wishing to purchase going outside the realm of the free market to get what it wanted with the help of the government, and at the expense of a private citizen.

What I read was that the rezoning was intended to benefit one private company over another private company. Sid Killdozer was originally a short SF story, and a good one too.

Unfortunately I cant remember the author but it was about a D7 bulldozer that became possessed by, er, something.

Now, my take on this DI tale is that it is simply about men, not Gods, just men. Some who thought they could push one beyond endurance to get what they wanted and one who got pushed so far he could see nothing left to do but push back.

I dont condone what he did well, actually I sort of do but only because no-one was seriously hurt but wouldnt it be great if maybe, just maybe, the next time some greedy, corrupt businessman tries to take some thing he has no right to he thinks about what could happen and stops?

Theodore Sturgeon, according to IMDb. He also worked on the movie but no connection to the band. Unfortunately I cant remember the author but it was about a D7 bulldozer that became possessed by, er, something … Theodore Sturgeon, according to IMDb.

I seem to remember someone getting run over by the dozer in a culvert pipe…. Marc Boyd is creepy as hell. That does not mean the property must be used.

Hell, he could have pissed them off royally by clearing the lot and keeping it empty. That includes neccessary driveways and infrastructure at my expense, of course.

No problem. This is how it should be. Some have said six times what he paid is more than fair. Chances are it will double in value again within 10 years.

If I spent 20K to build a small shop, it would add about 35K to the total value. The tax office has a funny way of doing the math because they get more money out of it.

With the current economy, I would be extremely lucky to get what I paid if I sold it. He definately went too far with the destruction, though.

I hate the whole sue their ass off mentality, but a law suit would have been a better solution. The police are really at a loss in a situation like this.

Civilian law enforcement will never be equipped to handle this. It was his last shop as he farmed out the rest and his last piece of land.

He initially wanted to sell and then decided not to, and then they offered him 6x as much and he said no.

To me no is no, unless you can find the point someone will be bought or just give up. I certainly hope not. I agree. The resolve to remain free is more important than outlawing certain equipments which mjaority of the people does not intend to use in a recklessly dangerous manner.

Did city people protest against those responsible who drove Mr. Questions like these remain unanswered to this day.

Jokes aside, technically judges are independent from politics. That means while they probably have their own political views, no politician is able to tell them how to rule in court.

He just started to build his Killdozer. If there is reason to believe the property will increase in value, it is usually possible to receive a better price for it when selling.

Even a court will take such a thing into account when deciding on the compensation. The exception, of course, is when the increase in value is only because of the project the property is needed for in the first place.

In that case, without selling there would be no increase in value. OK, did a bit of additional research.

Heemeyer bought the land in for The company was willing to pay Now there are certainly properties somewhere that do increase in value at that rate.

However there is absolutely no indication in the article or any other source I was able to find that the bargain Heemeyer was offered was anything but what any reasonable person would call fair.

Even by those standards the offer was more than generous. So when the compensation decided by the court is less than what was initially offered, they are bound to be disappointed and cry foul play.

According to the wikipedia article, he once threatened to kill a customer after he refused to pay for a faulty muffler repair.

I had stopped checking for new articles, so it took me until now to notice them. Do you think this guy is making a killdozer in heaven to get God back for using him, rezoning his mind without consultation?

I wish there was more detail about how the police used explosives on the armored doser, for instance. Such as the act of tempting us with two stories in barely more than a week, and then making us wait 13 days for the next?

Oh wow I think someone here in Australia was trying to do a bad impression of the Killdozer. No, theoretically, judges are hoped to be independent from politics.

In fact, they are very deeply immersed, at least here in the US. Many are elected, and run political campaigns in order to defeat their opponents.

They also generally have affiliations to political parties. They align themselves with those parties for political and ideological reasons.

Those not elected are appointed, generally by whatever political party controls the appointment process, and those in charge generally appoint judges who share their political viewpoint.

That may be the hoped perception in Germany, but I find it hard to believe. There are countless ways legislators and executives can exert political pressure on judges here in the US, and I would be surprised if that were not the case in Germany.

You seem to be confusing some issues here. But if the governement made him an offer, he refused, and it went to court for a determination of how he should be compensated because the government still wanted it, you might have a point.

Again, you are confusing the issue. This was not the government looking to better the community, according to the facts presented.

This was the local government helping a private company get an advantage over a smaller private company, probably because it had better political connections.

The value, when talking about two private entities negotiating a sale, is determined by them, not you, me, or the government. And yes, the locals could have rezoned the land at any time.

That may sit fine with you, but it does not sit well with me. See my above calculation. Heemeyer did not want to sell, and he had every right to keep his land.

Some people who are about to be expropriated believe they will get more in court than what they were offered in advance.

There was no reason for this to go to court. According to all accounts, Heemeyer was a violent person even before the sale of his property even came up.

I agree with you here, to a point. Ultimately, Heemeyer is responsible for his illegal actions. But it is possibly instructive to explore what it was that caused him to snap so badly.

From what I have read, it seems the locals abused their power to benefit one company over another for no apparent reason.

And where did this god get all the anger issues — inventing hell and everything. If God is everywhere, is she in hell too?

Rather a vindictive, wrathful, jealous, haughty, and angry deity if you ask me. Whether you believe it or not, courts in Germany can and do rule against the interests of the government.

Happened just a few weeks ago in a very high profile case here, where an important part of a plan by the state government was overturned in the preliminary case by the highest state court.

It is expected that the verdict will be the same in the main case. It is not a misconception. It is my personal opinion, based on my personal experiences.

If you made different experiences that led to you having a different opinion, this does not make either of our opinions untrue or a misconception.

Please refrain from using such insinuations in a discussion. Limitations are ruled by the applicable laws.

It can only be effected according to a law, which governs the kind and extent of the compensation. The compensation is to be decided by weighing the interests of the general public and the concerned parties.

In case of disagreement, the extent of the compensation can be decided by a regular court. Maybe someone with a bit experience in the US legal system could confirm or refute this?

The information from the article says that the company wanted to build a concrete batch plant, and I assume that this would have created a lot of jobs in a town of 1.

Against this a muffler repair shop that could have been rebuilt anywhere with the amount of compensation they originally agreed on.

The weighing of interests seems pretty obvious to me, but of course you are entitled to your own opinion. You cannot expropriate someone on a whim.

You need a very good reason and one that will not only benefit you but the general public as well. Usually there is a settlement before it comes to this, though.

Sure, and it happens here, too. But you are, again, confusing the issue. That could be, and often is, based on which side can bring not just the better arguments in court, but exert more political pressure.

Now, that is by no means an absolute, but the folks who make up SCOTUS got there because the party in charge of the process at the time of appointment felt the political views of the candidate were supportive of the political views of the party in power.

The same can be said about appointments at lower levels of the judicial system. Those justices who are elected by the people, and face reelection every few years, also likely consider the political ramifications of their decisions.

Politics is deeply rooted in our court system, but if you say it is not in Germany, than I can only take you at your word. I am, however, quite comfortable doing so with regard to the US judicial system.

And since we are discussing a US issue, we should probably stick to apples and apples, not apples and theoretical oranges. My bad, I guess.

The U. Constitution contains nothing so ghastly in my opinion as what the German Constitution apparently contains.

Replace McDonalds with some small-scale, family-owned restaurant that has been there for decades, and Burger king would likely win easily, as it would have greater resources to bring to bear to advance its case.

Once again, you are confusing the issue. Nowhere in the article is it even remotely indicated the concrete company argued it was benefitting the community, and nowhere in the article is it even remotely indicated the rezoning was done to benefit the community.

The evidence we have, limited as it is, indicates to me that the rezoning was done at the request of the concrete company, and to benefit the concrete company.

If you can find something indicating otherwise, feel free to present it. The question here is whether the local government did something shady to benefit one private entity over another.

So, it is what you are saying. I decide I want it, and intend to use it as an orphanage. Say someone has a piece of property that he is doing absolutely nothing to maintain, and it is in the middle of an area that would be perfct for some government-service building that area is crying out for.

A new police HQ, for example, since crime is a problem there. And again, in this case, things appeared to be handled with a certain amount of secrecy and underhandedness.

As to providing jobs: Maybe , tops. Concrete batching plants take up a lot of space but do not need many people. Location, location, location.

Property values are completely subjective. Appraised value really only works for the tax man. Property is only worth what someone is willing to pay.

Zoning can effect what someone is willing to pay. I guess that I am a bit put off by anyone who claims absolutes about US law.

Most of what Mirage describes is present in US law in one form or another; perhaps not the Constitution, but still in US law.

There are many legal ways of forcing somebody to sell property in the US; property rights are far from absolute.

Personally, I think the brevity of the US Constitution is a testament to the genius of those involved with crafting it. Government should do only very few, basic things, in my opinion, but ours has evolved to be far more invasive, as that is the nature of government.

But the question regarding this particular situation is whether the local government acted appropriately, or however you wish to phrase it.

In this case, based on what the story gives us, it would seem to me that the local government colluded with one private entity in order to drive another private entity into selling its land.

Nobody ever said this was not possible, as the evidence presented shows that it clearly is. The question is whether the locals acted appropriately.

Personally, I feel they did not, based on what I have read. And all you need to do is look at SCOTUS rulings, as well as those of other courts, to see that government local, state, or federal in the US has a long history of overstepping its authority, and infringing on rights.

Sometimes the courts take action on the side of individuals, and sometimes they do not, often citing that a particular right does exist, but it is not absolute.

The very nature of any government, as I said before, is to slowly take more and more control from its citizens.

Even a cursory look at history will support that. For the most part, I feel that is wrong, but understand that it is often inevitable.

There should be a return to greater respect for, and defense of, individual rights. In my opinion, though, it should certainly be considered a shameless abuse of power.

And, yes, an infringement on property rights. Like I said before. Heemeyer went on a rampage without even going to court. A quick check to wikipedia produced the following: The power of governments to take private real or personal property has always existed in the United States, being an inherent attribute of sovereignty.

This power reposes in the legislative branch of the government and may not be exercised unless the legislature has authorized its use by statutes that specify who may use it and for what purposes.

The legislature may so delegate the power to private entities like public utilities or railroads, and even to individuals for the purpose of acquiring access to their landlocked land.

I thought I explained this, but apparently not. This is not a question of collecting signatures and getting a majority. Relocating a shop with one employee to make room for a plant that would create multiple jobs conceivably would.

Next time you quote one of my posts, please make sure to actually read it. It is frustrating to do actual research even if it is only wikipedia and then have it ignored.

IF there were an urgent demand for an orphanage AND IF there were no alternative locations for it, THEN, yes they would have a pretty good shot at taking the property, and the old lady would have enough money to leave to her kids.

And yes, I think that it is a good system, because in your example otherwise those orphans would have to sleep in the streets. This makes one of the points I made in my above post moot.

Apparently we agree that is is possible to expropriate poeple under US law, and your point was that in the US the process is not part of the constitution.

However in my opinion this is not really a relevant distiction, since it is still applicable law. However, you raised the point of the judicial process, and what you felt was its immunity to outside influences, so I thought it important to correct some misconceptions you had regarding how things work here.

Specifically you said:. This comment was apparently about Heemeyer, and was simply way off track. And my response to it, in fact, ignored your reference to the courts.

You, then, decided to continue down your strange path of discussing the judicial system, when that was never part of the equation regarding this particular case.

Actually, I probably do, and as you concede in your follow-up post, you recognize my understanding of US law.

But we were talking about constitutions. That is because, in my opinion, there is little, if any, true right to property in Germany. Our 5th Amendment speaks to the government taking private property for public use, with just compensation.

That was a limitation placed on what is considered a power all governments are considered to have, and does not speak to disputes between private parties.

When talking about complex issues such as these, simplistic is often what you get with wikipedia, unfortunately. The power is not delegated to private entities.

The government makes the decision whether the property may be taken, which is the actual power.

That is only a short description istead of the actual legal text, but is seems to be quite similar to what we have in German law. Not really similar, as your constitution sets up the parameters.

The ability to seize property, especially for use by private entities, has been predominantly established through the courts here, which, as I said, are subject to political pressure, and many decisions have been quite controversial.

The recent Kelo decision is a particularly controversial one. The party with the best lawyers usually does.

Nowhere near as frustrating as reading someone complain about things that simply never happened. Your point seemed to be the concrete company was benefitting the community in some grand way, so all was OK with how things were handled.

However, you produced nothing to indicate this was the case, other than your assumption. And, again, that was not the point.

The concrete company, from what has been presented, never argued Heemeyer should be rezoned so that it could benefit the community.

And even if it did, show me the evidence that would indicate enough benefit, in your eyes, to make it ok to use government force to drive a man off his property.

If they employed one more person than Heemeyer, is that enough? I recall something about weighing the interests of the general public and those involved, but not much more.

The language seems specific enough to establish taking property, but vague enough to allow virtually any argument for forcing a sale to have potential for success.

Furthermore, who said anything about orphans sleeping on the street? My example, my rules.

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